Question asked by Louie Arias 350 days ago
Why do trainers not compare philosophies when they seek certification(s)?
CertificationsAmerican Council on Exercise (ACE)American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM)Gray Institute (GI)C.H.E.K Institute (CHEK)National Strength & Conditioning Association (NSCA)National Academy of Sports Medicine (NASM)
The main organizations in the fitness industry still teach the same questionable philosophies they promoted 20-30 years ago, why do fitness trainers not question them? Compare ACSM, NSCA, ACE, NASM Vs Gray Institute (FAFS), RTS (Tom Purvis), Check Institute (Paul Check) and make an inform decision!
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Answered by Sonja Anderson-Struzzo
349 days ago
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They probably don't know what to look for! When I started as a fitness professional in 1995, few certifying agencies existed. I was certified during NASM's early days, giving me a science-based foundation in biomechanics, physiology, anatomy, nutrition - even physics as related to weight training. It was excellent foundational coursework given by experienced and passionate professionals. Since it was begun by a physical therapist, healthy and safe movement patterns were emphasized. (Incidentally, Tom Purvis was involved then - awesome!) When NASM moved toward "functional" training, it gave me a new understanding of physical conditioning of the body as a whole, rather than the parts. However, I found neither phiolosphy satisfied all of the needs of my clients. I then began studying various movement modalites such as Feldenkrais, yoga,Qigong, & especially Pilates and further needs were met with different styles of flexibility, stretching and assessment techniques. But there are varying philosophies amongst each of these! I also sampled many training concepts at IDEA and other industry events and learned something from each. EVERY modality has it's pluses and minuses. I even added TRX and Power Plate certs to the mix because each makes its own unique contribution to my clients' wellbeing. Nearly every modality is valid and has an important contribution to make to human movement. As a 2011 Gray Institute GIFT fellow, I am finally tieing all the pieces of the puzzle together! Movement science, as understood by Gary Gray, makes the connection clear between ALL certifications because it IS the foundation for all human function. The only truely BAD certifications are those that A) teach you dangerous techniques, B) make you think their system has the only answers (it's not true) C) Is interested in profit over producing quality trainers. Unfortunatly, you don't always see this until after the fact.
Sonja, congratulations on becoming a Fello (FAFS) you are on the right track! Good Luck!
Comment by Louie Arias 321 days ago
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Why do people still buy infomercial fitness gadgets that are "obviously" garbage at 2am?
Good marketing + Good timing + Desperate consumers.
Until the certifying bodies can effectively educate the marketplace about what makes them different/better/more effective for a specific population, the masses will continue to do what's always been done.
Good marketing + Good timing + Desperate consumers.
Until the certifying bodies can effectively educate the marketplace about what makes them different/better/more effective for a specific population, the masses will continue to do what's always been done.
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Hi Louie,
With all due respect, I'm confused by your question. Could you please clarify the following two points:
1) How do you know trainers are not comparing philosophies/content when seeking certifications? Have you talked with a lot of trainers about their process?
2) What exactly are the "questionable philosophies" you are referring to?
Thanks,
Michelle
With all due respect, I'm confused by your question. Could you please clarify the following two points:
1) How do you know trainers are not comparing philosophies/content when seeking certifications? Have you talked with a lot of trainers about their process?
2) What exactly are the "questionable philosophies" you are referring to?
Thanks,
Michelle
Hey Michelle, thanks for your inquire. First, not all Certifications have the same philosophy, would you agree? example, NSCA vs ACSM or Paul Check vs ACE, and i could go on and on. In my many years of teaching courses to FT"s, i hear that "their certification" covers all populations, and Trainers have no ideas what other Companies espouse? nor do they care. Second, "questionable philosophies" to me, is any organization that promotes a written test, pass it, and now you are "certified" not ever knowing if whom they certified is "competent" of applying what they just passed or certified. Michelle, this is my frustration with our industry, and is why we are never taken seriously. We talk about "marketing names" --" Kettle bells, pilate etc,." not how the human body works and responds to, motions and forces and i could go on! I hope this clarifies your questions? Louie
Comment by Louie Arias 318 days ago
Answered by Danielle Levitt
350 days ago
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I agree with Joe; additionally, some have lower prices or can convince you that they give more for the money. Also, some big-name gyms only accept CPT certs from specific certifying bodies, making it more likely that people will seek those certs.
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I'll add this... How many organizations exist that certify individuals as "personal trainers"? at last count, well over 240. Fortunately, the NCCA is working hard to weed out the obvious bad seeds, but with this industry making so much money, and our nation being the fattest on the planet, who wouldn't want to capitalize on that? It doesn't take much to create some fancy marketing to generate some hype and attempt to be viewed as the "best" or "cutting edge". Yet, with all these options, I still see people every day pumping out rep after rep with hideous form and technique under the tutilage of their trainer...
It is clear that the conventional wisdom is to move for the sake of movement and your trainer must be qualified or the gym wouldn't have hired him/her. That falseood, is exactly what got us here...
Fortunately, our recent history and the work of people like Gary Gray, Gray Cook, Paul Chek and Others has allowed us to really dissolve those things that truly don't matter, or only contribute to maintaining the status quo. As a result, those of us who know better get irritated at those who obviously "don't" know better. Ultimately, I think organizations like NCCA and those few other gems will provide the forum for true professionals to elevate themselves as the TRUE professionals, especially as more accountability is forced upon not only the lame-duck certifying bodies, but the lackey trainers who pummel their clients into the dust.
It is clear that the conventional wisdom is to move for the sake of movement and your trainer must be qualified or the gym wouldn't have hired him/her. That falseood, is exactly what got us here...
Fortunately, our recent history and the work of people like Gary Gray, Gray Cook, Paul Chek and Others has allowed us to really dissolve those things that truly don't matter, or only contribute to maintaining the status quo. As a result, those of us who know better get irritated at those who obviously "don't" know better. Ultimately, I think organizations like NCCA and those few other gems will provide the forum for true professionals to elevate themselves as the TRUE professionals, especially as more accountability is forced upon not only the lame-duck certifying bodies, but the lackey trainers who pummel their clients into the dust.
Answered by Joanne Duncan-Carnesciali
349 days ago
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I believe for the most part many don't know how to approach earning a fitness certification. Thanks to sites like this this, fitness professionals like you and I can leave reviews on the certifications that you feel didn't meet your needs and sing the praises of the organizations who meet your needs.
When we know better we do better. (or at least this is what is supposed to happen).
When we know better we do better. (or at least this is what is supposed to happen).
Answered by Michele Blake
341 days ago
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Usually a person will ask their favorite trainer and instructor. They recommend the one that they PASSED.
People need to find real mentors who will sit with them and give them options. It's true, many don't know how to chose certifications.
When I started 25 years ago, I hear about ACSM, ACE, AFAA and YMCA. Today, there are 1,000 of national, international, college and in-house fitness gym certifications. many are great teacher trainings but many are not accepted for employment requirements.
Those of us who have being in the field since 1912 should mentor the notice instructors and trainers.
People need to find real mentors who will sit with them and give them options. It's true, many don't know how to chose certifications.
When I started 25 years ago, I hear about ACSM, ACE, AFAA and YMCA. Today, there are 1,000 of national, international, college and in-house fitness gym certifications. many are great teacher trainings but many are not accepted for employment requirements.
Those of us who have being in the field since 1912 should mentor the notice instructors and trainers.
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what philosophy in particular are you talking about as being questionable?
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I think that philosophies amongst clients vary as they do for trainers. There is no one perfect answer or one perfect fit for anyone... so I think it's good that various philosophies exist in the field so that clients can choose a trainer who matches with them. Sure, some don't know what to look for, but hopefully we can help guide them by educating them and answering all of their questions fully and honestly before they get started on a program with us, or another trainer.
I love Sonja's answer... totally agree with you, Sonja :-)
I love Sonja's answer... totally agree with you, Sonja :-)
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I think much of it has to do with finding out what certification a prospective employer is looking for (I looked at that) and also, unfortunately, price. I know of a trainer who is going with ACE rather than NASM simply because of price, but that's his call.
I would also imagine that many people looking to get certified assume that all of them are basically the same, even though they are not.
I would also imagine that many people looking to get certified assume that all of them are basically the same, even though they are not.
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I agree with a lot that has already been said here - particularly with Michelle and Sonja. I think that a trainer's personal training practice and philosophy EVOLVES over time (I know that mine sure has over the 18-years that I've been training), and so our initial certification, or initial thoughts of ourselves as a trainer, may change over time. The initial decision as to what certification and what professional path we 'think' we want to take is less important (in my opinion) than what happens to us and how our knowledge and practice grows over time. If we find that our initial certification or knowledge set no longer fits our philosophy, we should seek another certification or knowledge set that does. It's that professional growth that really determines the quality of our practice.
I hope that this helps.
LaRue, CSCS
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larue.cook@lecfitness.com
I hope that this helps.
LaRue, CSCS
www.lecfitness.com
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