Question asked by jill lawson 350 days ago
What is an appropriate ratio of ab work to lower back work?
how much time to you spend working abs vs. the back (opposing muscle groups)?
Answers (6)
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Personally, I spend zero time training lower back, or programming it for clients. In 20 years, I have yet to meet a client who needed additional low back strength. People tend to have limited hip and thoracic spine mobility, leaving the low back muscles to translate force between the hips and torso, generally causing strain or worse.
I spend a great deal of time working on mobilizing those joints that are supposed to be mobile - ankles, hips, t-spine, shoulders - and working on the muscles that stabilize the joints that are designed to be stable - knees, lumbar spine, scapulae.
Since the low back muscles typically handle more load that they are meant to, they are tighter than the ideal, and in a state of constant extension. My clients spend lots of time performing anti-extension exercises, variations of planks, etc., to begin to bring their lumbar posture back toward neutral.
Hope that's helpful!
Andrew
I spend a great deal of time working on mobilizing those joints that are supposed to be mobile - ankles, hips, t-spine, shoulders - and working on the muscles that stabilize the joints that are designed to be stable - knees, lumbar spine, scapulae.
Since the low back muscles typically handle more load that they are meant to, they are tighter than the ideal, and in a state of constant extension. My clients spend lots of time performing anti-extension exercises, variations of planks, etc., to begin to bring their lumbar posture back toward neutral.
Hope that's helpful!
Andrew
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I think the best approach is to combine both with a good core workout that incorporates the entire core and hip girdle.
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I train little separately but encourage my client to use ALL core muscles. That's why I even do not do 'ab work'. I teach my clients the concept of a neutral lumbar spine but also the concept of differentiation between the lumbar and the thoracic spine.
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according to ACE the strength ratio need to be less than less than 1.0
So use McGill test and check. Depending on the result you can program the amount of work they need to do.
Hope this helps. Refer page 219 of ACE manual chapter 8
So use McGill test and check. Depending on the result you can program the amount of work they need to do.
Hope this helps. Refer page 219 of ACE manual chapter 8
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I believe Andrew has a great point in regards to working the lower back! It gets an enormous amount of indirect influence through the use of numerous movements.
Many of those who experience lower back pain come from a direct result of poor posture or weaker muscles such as the glutes and tighter muscles in areas such as the hamstrings or psoas.
I find that "activating" my clients key areas (glutes & scapula) along with increasing the mobility of the spine and hips tends to correct the positioning of the body and protect the body and greatly reduce or even eliminate pain.
As far as the answer to abs I usually assess that as to what my clients goals are and then take a look at their genetics. If they have small abs muscle bellies and want a six pack popping out I may add heavier resistance. If they are looking to improve the quality of life I would throw more plank-type movements and teach them how to "rock the boat" and build true core strength.
Great question Jill!
Many of those who experience lower back pain come from a direct result of poor posture or weaker muscles such as the glutes and tighter muscles in areas such as the hamstrings or psoas.
I find that "activating" my clients key areas (glutes & scapula) along with increasing the mobility of the spine and hips tends to correct the positioning of the body and protect the body and greatly reduce or even eliminate pain.
As far as the answer to abs I usually assess that as to what my clients goals are and then take a look at their genetics. If they have small abs muscle bellies and want a six pack popping out I may add heavier resistance. If they are looking to improve the quality of life I would throw more plank-type movements and teach them how to "rock the boat" and build true core strength.
Great question Jill!
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I don't "work the lower back", I do core work by including all planes of the body with my training.
I work "the upper back" when necessary for postural impetus and strength.
I work "the upper back" when necessary for postural impetus and strength.










