Question asked by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
What does everybody think of congress saying 2oz of tomato sauce makes pizza a vegetable?
Congress is being pressured by the frozen food industry about pizza and potatoes. And it would seem that congress' ignorance either knows no bounds or they assume that society it too stupid to know te difference.
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%*$#% !!!!!!!!! Sorry, my opinion on that subject goes beyond what can politely be printed.

Karin it has taken me three days of impolite UN-politically correct ranting before I could find the words to post this to the board...I am extremely upset about this blatant insult to the American population's intelligence and the disregard for our children's well being!!!
Comment by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
Lobbies are powerful things. But at least it is a solace to know that we have the best congress money can buy.
Comment by Karin Singleton 191 days ago
lol
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
Answered by Joanne Duncan-Carnesciali
191 days ago
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Perhaps a course in agriculture might be in order.
maybe a 6 year old should tell them that a tomato is a FRUIT!! I can't believe they are getting away with this to get around Obama's plan for healthier meals in schools.
Comment by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
Amen to that!
Comment by Joanne Duncan-Carnesciali 191 days ago
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Really? Are they saying that if a pizza has a minimum of 2 oz of tomato sauce on it, then the consumption of that pizza counts as one vegetable serving? If so, that's plain dumb and irresponsible. Maybe there's more to this??
Nope it is really that idiotic! Nothing like adding a fruit paste to something to make it a vegetable so it can be served in schools. I am dumbfounded that congress can do this. It is through pressure by the frozen food industry that this has transpired. I was unaware that the frozen food industry made our country's decisions on the welfare of our country's children. I am getting mad just typing this. Here is a link that Scott Kawasaki an Alaskan Representative posted on his facebook page to the MSNBC article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/#.TsqL...
The issue is because the frozen food industry doesn't like Obama's plan for healthier meals in school...so they decided to call pizza a vegetable so it won't be cut from the menu.
The issue is because the frozen food industry doesn't like Obama's plan for healthier meals in school...so they decided to call pizza a vegetable so it won't be cut from the menu.
Comment by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
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I actually have a few things to say.
I've never been a fan of the sodium in school food. I think sodium intake is a major problem in cafeteria food anywhere you go, and obviously in most places that you can grab a quick bite to eat.
I understand! Has everyone forgotten what one of the first areas for budget cuts is? It's education. Unless the government has enough money to foot the entire bill for what it's proposing, those proposals should remain unenforced(in reference to the nutrition changes). Food that is served in schools is food that is inexpensive. It's nutrient enriched to an extent. I remember hearing the cafeteria workers talking one day about how our hamburgers were 15% grapes and cherries. This was back in high school.
The bottom line is this... There are certain things that kids will eat. It starts in elementary school. It starts in the home. I would argue that for kids, it's not so much about what they eat as it is about how much activity they're getting. What ever happened to recess!? I know that's a romantic notion, but the point is still the same. We all have to play!
I get it, I do. I understand why everyone is upset at this. However, stop to think about the implementation of new laws. Think about how much money it takes. Think about the current cuts that have been made to educational programs. In my county they have considered cutting physical education programs. They've already cut the music and art programs considerably. Schools are expected to comply to government regulations with insufficient funds. It's unrealistic. There is no way we can meet a student's need for enrichment and enrich his diet at the same time. Not in a public school.
I understand the need for great, nutritious meals in school. Unfortunately, in my opinion, implementating that idea is a delusion of grandeur at this point. The resources need to be in place. Think of school nutrition as only one piece to the puzzle. Kids need time outside! All ages should be playing and socializing in person, not waiting to get home and facebook and text and all that crap!
Ideally, parents should teach their children early on the value of balancing nutrition and exercise. You can't always eat what you want. If you don't like what's going on in schools, pack a lunch. That's what I did. I understand that many people can't afford to do that, but it's an option for many. I do know one thing that's still free... getting off your butt and going for a run or a walk!
When I see some legislation that starts valuing physical education more, I'll be happy, and that will be worthy of a discussion. The tomato sauce/paste thing? Come on.. Give Congress a break. They messed up by passing legislation for which they couldn't put the infrastructure or resources in place, and they fixed it by doing what they do best... passing more legislation... going back and saying that they could save a bunch of money by making tomato sauce count as a vegetable. Think of the majority in Congress right now. Sometimes this is how things have to be done. Is it stupid? SURE!!!
The Short of It All:
Don't expect things to really change until taxes are raised across the board, and the American public becomes more involved in the political process, not just the political outcomes.
I've never been a fan of the sodium in school food. I think sodium intake is a major problem in cafeteria food anywhere you go, and obviously in most places that you can grab a quick bite to eat.
I understand! Has everyone forgotten what one of the first areas for budget cuts is? It's education. Unless the government has enough money to foot the entire bill for what it's proposing, those proposals should remain unenforced(in reference to the nutrition changes). Food that is served in schools is food that is inexpensive. It's nutrient enriched to an extent. I remember hearing the cafeteria workers talking one day about how our hamburgers were 15% grapes and cherries. This was back in high school.
The bottom line is this... There are certain things that kids will eat. It starts in elementary school. It starts in the home. I would argue that for kids, it's not so much about what they eat as it is about how much activity they're getting. What ever happened to recess!? I know that's a romantic notion, but the point is still the same. We all have to play!
I get it, I do. I understand why everyone is upset at this. However, stop to think about the implementation of new laws. Think about how much money it takes. Think about the current cuts that have been made to educational programs. In my county they have considered cutting physical education programs. They've already cut the music and art programs considerably. Schools are expected to comply to government regulations with insufficient funds. It's unrealistic. There is no way we can meet a student's need for enrichment and enrich his diet at the same time. Not in a public school.
I understand the need for great, nutritious meals in school. Unfortunately, in my opinion, implementating that idea is a delusion of grandeur at this point. The resources need to be in place. Think of school nutrition as only one piece to the puzzle. Kids need time outside! All ages should be playing and socializing in person, not waiting to get home and facebook and text and all that crap!
Ideally, parents should teach their children early on the value of balancing nutrition and exercise. You can't always eat what you want. If you don't like what's going on in schools, pack a lunch. That's what I did. I understand that many people can't afford to do that, but it's an option for many. I do know one thing that's still free... getting off your butt and going for a run or a walk!
When I see some legislation that starts valuing physical education more, I'll be happy, and that will be worthy of a discussion. The tomato sauce/paste thing? Come on.. Give Congress a break. They messed up by passing legislation for which they couldn't put the infrastructure or resources in place, and they fixed it by doing what they do best... passing more legislation... going back and saying that they could save a bunch of money by making tomato sauce count as a vegetable. Think of the majority in Congress right now. Sometimes this is how things have to be done. Is it stupid? SURE!!!
The Short of It All:
Don't expect things to really change until taxes are raised across the board, and the American public becomes more involved in the political process, not just the political outcomes.
you would have a valid point if it weren't for the fact that the programs that are affected are federally funded and Obama's plan was intended to get rid of pizza and fries out of our kids school lunch menu. So its not an issue if they can afford it at all. the schools that are affected are not state funded only, those schools wouldn't fall under this program. This isn't an issue of affordability, its an issue of the frozen food industry getting shut out of one of their biggest guaranteed markets and telling congress they want a way around it. And to your romantic notion of play more is the answer is just that a romantic notion, as a trainer you know that nutrition is 90% of health not exercise. A person can exercise for hours per day and if that person is living on empty nutrition that is calorie dense what do you think is going to happen? That person is going to be fall into the syndrome x scenario and eventually start thinking that exercise is a waste of time.
More play + crappy nutrition = increased childhood obesity and a weight on our already substandard health care system. The big picture here is more than tomato sauce! What about congress' blatant disregard for intelligent decision making?
You are missing the point here on something else as well...a tomato is a fruit and putting it on diabetes causing white flour does not make it a vegetable!
You can't be serious about cutting congress some slack on this?!?! If the government is going to fund decreased health in the next generation that is asinine!
Sure everybody could pack lunches to school, but again you are missing the point. This is a funded program by the federal government..you know the people that are supposed to have the peoples best interest in mind.You have been insulted by the law makers and you want to cut them slack?
More play + crappy nutrition = increased childhood obesity and a weight on our already substandard health care system. The big picture here is more than tomato sauce! What about congress' blatant disregard for intelligent decision making?
You are missing the point here on something else as well...a tomato is a fruit and putting it on diabetes causing white flour does not make it a vegetable!
You can't be serious about cutting congress some slack on this?!?! If the government is going to fund decreased health in the next generation that is asinine!
Sure everybody could pack lunches to school, but again you are missing the point. This is a funded program by the federal government..you know the people that are supposed to have the peoples best interest in mind.You have been insulted by the law makers and you want to cut them slack?
Comment by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
Shawn,
You see it your way. I see it my way. Thank you for your question and for your heartfelt opinions of me, as a professional! =)
I think you should make a sign and start a protest!
You see it your way. I see it my way. Thank you for your question and for your heartfelt opinions of me, as a professional! =)
I think you should make a sign and start a protest!
Comment by Marlan Eller 190 days ago
lol yeah cuz that works
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
Marlan, what do you tell clients that say they can't afford to eat better, its too expensive?
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
I tell them that I understand. We harp about the injustices of the world. Then I say something along the lines of "Let's record your nutrition for a week. You should write down on this food log what you ate and when, and how much it cost you. We'll do the nutrition of it all, together over the course of a few sessions. Then we'll total it all up, and I'm going to design my own diet for a week, and I'm going to attempt to get better nutrition at a lower price. We'll test your theory! But for now, we're going to do the best that we can with what we've been given."
Is that the correct answer? I "Fears" what you have to say about this one.
What do you say to these clients? What's a good answer, in your professional opinion?
Is that the correct answer? I "Fears" what you have to say about this one.
What do you say to these clients? What's a good answer, in your professional opinion?
Comment by Marlan Eller 190 days ago
Why does a person thinks that, do some root cause analysis as to what would create this false assumption that eating healthier is more expensive. Why do you think its more expensive? What has given you this belief?
Just as I have done with you by asking you what you would tell a client. I only asked because it seems like you are supporting the idea that providing a healthy menu in schools is more expensive...that is the same thing we as trainers face in every obese client. I have never had an obese client who didn't argue that its more expensive to eat better.
Anyways the whole point of why I even posted this originally is because you can't add a fruit to something and call it a vegetable. lol
Just as I have done with you by asking you what you would tell a client. I only asked because it seems like you are supporting the idea that providing a healthy menu in schools is more expensive...that is the same thing we as trainers face in every obese client. I have never had an obese client who didn't argue that its more expensive to eat better.
Anyways the whole point of why I even posted this originally is because you can't add a fruit to something and call it a vegetable. lol
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
I see your point. I'm going off of what it do to the system. It's not just food changes. It's paperwork, it's making new menus, it's extra training and more organizing in the kitchen. There are a lot of things that go into those types of changes. The expenses are far-reaching.
I understand why Congress decided to call it a vegetable. They probably drink V8 juice and got confused =) silly Congress. I always figured a tomato could go either way for me, but i see the logic.
I understand why Congress decided to call it a vegetable. They probably drink V8 juice and got confused =) silly Congress. I always figured a tomato could go either way for me, but i see the logic.
Comment by Marlan Eller 190 days ago
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Wait. Bread + Fruit = Vegetable? Where have I been?
exactly!!
Comment by Shawn Fears 191 days ago
Probably on your honeymoon ......
Comment by Karin Singleton 190 days ago
That's a good one Karin! =)
Comment by Marlan Eller 190 days ago
Lol!!
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
HA!
Comment by Stephen Landrum 189 days ago
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Here is the entire article in The Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-congress-declare...
I've always sent my kids to school with a packed lunch thankfully... even to this day I pack a brown bag for my high schooler!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-congress-declare...
I've always sent my kids to school with a packed lunch thankfully... even to this day I pack a brown bag for my high schooler!
SCORE! I used to get excited when my mom packed a lunch for me! =P lol. I was never too big to appreciate the love.
Comment by Marlan Eller 190 days ago
I know right?? :)
Comment by Debbie Russell 189 days ago
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I'm hoping the First Lady can do something to overturn this with her Let's Move! initiatives.
It would be nice but she is not part of the legislative branch of government.
Comment by Karin Singleton 190 days ago
Alas!
Comment by Melissa Rodriguez 190 days ago
It is Obama's healthy school menu plan that this is trying to circumvent. The foods tht Obama targeted are fries and pizza, that is why the "industry" lobbied congress for this verbiage. They are trying to make it 4oz instead of 2 while this seems trivial it makes it too much too put on pizza and would eliminate it as a viable food. So here is to 4oz of fruit making it a vegetable lol
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
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I guess my kids will be jumping for joy!!! But I think that is crazy! And we wonder why people (adults and kids) are over weight/obese.
Lol I know the kids love it. Crazy though when it comes to long term affects and the healthcare system that it is going to burden.
Comment by Shawn Fears 190 days ago
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With this logic a vanilla milkshake with a cherry on top should be listed as a fruit!!!
Scott
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Pressured?? American Frozen Food Institute spent $5 million dollars lobbying Congress!!
And according to Nix vs. Hedden, the tomato is classified as a vegetable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden
The USDA recommended doubling the amount of tomato paste required to count as a "serving of vegetables" from two tablespoons to one quarter-cup. There's only two tablespoons of tomato sauce on the prepackaged frozen pizzas that schools buy.
I think if more parents got involved, rather than the First Lady, and get their kids MOVING instead of using their TV's as a babysitter we might begin to tackle childhood obesity. Kids can eat healthier sure, but remember they are kids. Kids love pizza, soda, candy etc. I did when I was little but I was also very active thankfully!!!
And according to Nix vs. Hedden, the tomato is classified as a vegetable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden
The USDA recommended doubling the amount of tomato paste required to count as a "serving of vegetables" from two tablespoons to one quarter-cup. There's only two tablespoons of tomato sauce on the prepackaged frozen pizzas that schools buy.
I think if more parents got involved, rather than the First Lady, and get their kids MOVING instead of using their TV's as a babysitter we might begin to tackle childhood obesity. Kids can eat healthier sure, but remember they are kids. Kids love pizza, soda, candy etc. I did when I was little but I was also very active thankfully!!!
This is exactly what I meant by saying that there are certain things that kids will eat and that it's not SO much about what kids are eating, it's about how much activity kids are getting these days. Look back at our parents. What did they eat in school? I'm willing to bet that it was similar food. Maybe even less nutritional value. I'm just guessing, though. There is one undisputed difference, however... Our parents didn't have Facebook or any of the other aesthetically pleasing "alternatives" to being active.
Comment by Marlan Eller 185 days ago
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Does this mean I can harvest pizza after I plant the pizza seed? Is this what Papa Johns does, how do they infuse the anchovies? Well I hear that frozen foods have tons of preservatives in them, this is good since it will increase our longevity right?...... because it preserves... ?
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Shawn all I have to say is that I am glad I do not watch the news, listen to radio, or read newspapers because that is a joke!
AVOID THE MEDIA or at least outsmart it!
Fuel the Movement,
JM
AVOID THE MEDIA or at least outsmart it!
Fuel the Movement,
JM
















