Question asked by Gabori Partee 232 days ago
In the military, they promote crunches and situps over most other ab exercises. Do you think they are correct in doing so?
Some of the best ab exercises.
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The military promotes situps and crunches as 'athletic testing' over most other ab exercises but not as ab exercises; as tests. Believe me when I tell you, we did PLENTY of other ab exercises throughout my career. So, yes, I think the are correct in testing soldiers hip flexors and abdominal strength through situps and crunches but do not believe that military exercise training is proper for every soldier equally. However, anyone who has served in one of the US military branches could attest that quite a few (certainly not all) soldiers serving are quite out of shape, yet can pass this portion of the test though with difficulty. Its the run that gets ya! ;)

When I was in the military, we almost always did those two. I can't remember a time when we did anything else for abs when testing, or doing PT. But ur right, it was the run that was nuts.
Comment by Gabori Partee 230 days ago
My unit was a medical unit so our exercises were a bit more ... educated (maybe not the right word), I guess. Now that I think back to Basic Training and AIT though, we almost ONLY did those two. What were they thinking!
Comment by Stephen Landrum 228 days ago
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I'm a firm believer that if it works than why not. That being said, out of all the abdominal excersises available out there, the situp is probably the most misunderstood. 90% of the people I've seen do situps usually complain of either lower back pain and/or neck soreness this is almost always a result of poor technique. The risk/reward ratio with situps makes the exercise hardly worth doing at all. Crunches on the other hand are far easier to teach and reduces the chance of injury significantly.
Answered by Traci K
228 days ago
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With over 10 years servicing to armed service even as a woman. This was important for the basic PT testing and passing for every day exercise for the soldiers.
I still do these myself and they make a difference. many people do only half the exercise when it comes to abdominal training. Even if you remember PE in school these were standard.
I still do these myself and they make a difference. many people do only half the exercise when it comes to abdominal training. Even if you remember PE in school these were standard.
Answered by Joanne Duncan-Carnesciali
231 days ago
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I am curious to know your opinion on all the other forms of training that the military utilize. Obstacle courses, push ups, long distance runs. I'd be curious to know the incidence of low back pain associated with situps in soldiers, GI, etc.
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I stand behind most military training 100%. Obstacles course and calisthenics are a good test of strength and the ability to move your body in different directions. I don't back the situps all the way because they do put strain on the lower back, and there's plenty of other exercises that offer the same benefit, without the pain. The only thing I don't like is that they train everyone the same. U can weigh 300lbs, and will still have to be able to run as if u were half that size. So sickbay is always full of those who are hurt, due to exercise.
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I understand that the military has their own standards and their own goals for training people. I cannot imagine myself training people (of any age) with situps and crunches to the exclusion of anything else.
So: no, I do not believe it is the right thing to do. Why would I do something that creates lower back and neck problems? I also would not promote what has become a proverbial textbook demonstration for an example of poor posture: the military posture.
So: no, I do not believe it is the right thing to do. Why would I do something that creates lower back and neck problems? I also would not promote what has become a proverbial textbook demonstration for an example of poor posture: the military posture.
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I think Stephen has offered some great insight into the real world of military fitness. Having attended some military training camps myself, I can attest to the variety of exercises offered in a general PT session, having led some of those sessions myself.
The most controversial exercise that the military uses is by far, in my opinion, the sit up. The way that the sit up is taught favors the use of the hip flexors and overextension of the lumbar spine in order to get a great score on your PFT. Push ups, Pull ups, and the run (I think it's 1.5 or 3 miles now??) are all good indicators of both strength and endurance, in my opinion. You have to look at this as a whole. These assessments can be done quickly and efficiently, which is of absolute value in a military setting. I think they do the best they can with what resources and time they are given. But make no mistake.. running, pull ups, push ups, sit ups and obstacle courses are not the only fitness experiences in the military repertoire. Whether or not those options are "exercised" is usually up to the person in charge of the PT schedule. Get someone who genuinely cares about total health of the serviceman instead of personal advancement, you'll be in better shape all around.
I agree with Brad in that I, also, favor crunches over sit ups as they are taught to service members. In my experience, leg lifts, butterfly (scissor/flutter) kicks, and agility exercises are just some of the other exercises that can be used to improve the condition of the abdominals and most of the other muscles in the "core."
The most controversial exercise that the military uses is by far, in my opinion, the sit up. The way that the sit up is taught favors the use of the hip flexors and overextension of the lumbar spine in order to get a great score on your PFT. Push ups, Pull ups, and the run (I think it's 1.5 or 3 miles now??) are all good indicators of both strength and endurance, in my opinion. You have to look at this as a whole. These assessments can be done quickly and efficiently, which is of absolute value in a military setting. I think they do the best they can with what resources and time they are given. But make no mistake.. running, pull ups, push ups, sit ups and obstacle courses are not the only fitness experiences in the military repertoire. Whether or not those options are "exercised" is usually up to the person in charge of the PT schedule. Get someone who genuinely cares about total health of the serviceman instead of personal advancement, you'll be in better shape all around.
I agree with Brad in that I, also, favor crunches over sit ups as they are taught to service members. In my experience, leg lifts, butterfly (scissor/flutter) kicks, and agility exercises are just some of the other exercises that can be used to improve the condition of the abdominals and most of the other muscles in the "core."
Thanks for that. It is actually 1.5, 2, and 3 miles depending on the military service. Pull ups are very difficult for women but are starting to be implemented in more of the services now (used to only be the Marines I think.) Thanks for reminding me about 'flutter kicks', I think I had a flashback... a very painnful one too. ;)
Comment by Stephen Landrum 227 days ago
Actually, women in the marines do awhats called a flexed arm hang. Which most men find impossible to do.
Comment by Gabori Partee 227 days ago
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I just wrapped up a 2 year contract with the Air Force as an Air Force Fitness Testing Specialist (FTS) and was the lead Fitness Assessment Cell (FAC) member. For the first year of the contract we lead group boot camps for the Fitness Improvement Program (FIP) for those that had failed their test. What I can say from experience is there are many more back injuries than need be as well as too many shoulder injuries. Both of these can be prevented with proper programming. I read a study done by the Army last year where they put a sit up program vs. a core stabilization program and measure with a sit up test. The core stabilization program had better test score in the sit up test against doing actual situps...not surprising to some of us. I have trained many airmen in the two years working there that have thanked me and left comment cards for leadership because my training not only improved their core strength but also helped them to understand things that the physical therapists and doctors they had seen over the years never told them, if they even knew it. Check out my profile for some of those comments that I cut and pasted from emails to me.
Bottom line is the military is causing needless injuries with antiquated training methodology. In their defense they are doing studies to find out why and are making good headway in realizing that their training is lacking. Now for all the red tape paperwork to bring knowledge to practice.
Bottom line is the military is causing needless injuries with antiquated training methodology. In their defense they are doing studies to find out why and are making good headway in realizing that their training is lacking. Now for all the red tape paperwork to bring knowledge to practice.
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I graduated from the Naval Academy and while it's true that these exercises are done, it is usually to get ready for the actual PT tests.
There are plenty of other exercises and cross training that is done. You can't get through without a strong core and the military does a great job of working the entire body!
There are plenty of other exercises and cross training that is done. You can't get through without a strong core and the military does a great job of working the entire body!













