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Question asked by Shane Mclean 698 days ago

How do you build strength/mass in your legs with little or no load on the spine?

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Looking for new ways to build muscle or strength without load on the spine.

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Answered by Marc Ludwick 118 days ago
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I am purposely going to veer from the typical answer. I am not sure why the loading of the spine is wanting to be avoided, but if we look at the function of the spine (holds us upright) it would be good to understand that the spine, too, is connected to muscle. Unlike the humerus and the quad femoris, which has Type 2 A and B connections, the spine has Type 1 muscle connections; Such as the spinal extensors: spinalis thoracis, spinalis capitis, longissimus thoracis, (which are located in the thoracic region and upwards), and also the iliocostalis lumborum, (which is the main muscle of the lumbar region). These muscles need work as well to stay strong in there own way which is stability. These muscles account for a lot of the spines ability to hold us upright all day, either bearing weight (backpacks, piggy back rides, weight lifting), or just through non weight bearing activities of daily life. But to try and work these muscles through an isotonic movement would be unproductive, even if possible. Isometric contractions would be the way to go. As the stability in these muscles increase so will the ability to do load bearing exercises. For a few tips on exercises, look up my ideafit page, or email me at marcludwick@yahoo.com.
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Wow, what a detailed response. Thank you. Since i wrote this question i have had 3 serious back spasms and a mri which discovered 3 herinated disks. Good times. Used a book called Pain Free to get heathly again and i am back to squatting and deadlifting, with much better form.
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Answered by Jami Davis 698 days ago
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Seated exercises done on machines would be best because they help to support the body without stress on the spine or joints. Use moderate to light weights rather than heavy weights. I would suggestexercises such as seated calf raises, seated leg extensions, seated leg curls, and adductor and abductor machines. You could also use the hip sled for squat like exercises but would avoid doing full sqaut position.
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Thanks for your answer. Hip sled is a good suggestion. Dont see myself on those hip abductor/adduction machines.
Comment by Shane Mclean 697 days ago
Yes. I don't imagine many men can visualize themselves on those machines. I was generalizing my answer for both populations.
Comment by Jami Davis 696 days ago
no need to use the machines for hip Abduction and Adduction just use the cable column and do them standing
Comment by Shawn Fears 695 days ago
Thanks Shawn. Good suggestions.
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Answered by Keith Bishop 696 days ago
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I have a bad back with one surgery on it already. I make sure to never do anything with a barbell centered on my spine. Like others have said the seated leg machines will work, also stability ball wall squats, dumbbell squats, squats with resistance bands, and I sometimes use a V-Squat machine that has full back support during the entire movement. Also pretty much any sort of step up, or lunges should work well.
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Thanks Keith. Resistance band squats is a great idea. The idea of sitting down for legs just hurts me.
Comment by Shane Mclean 696 days ago
Glad I could help out, I dont do much leg stuff using machines either.
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Answered by robert mouton 696 days ago
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I think most of this depends on why you need less or no load on the spine, but, as mentioned before, using something like dumbbells or kettlebells in a suitcase position for loading will help. You can then choose single leg squat and deadlift variations. This way the working leg is still getting enough resistance for true strength/mass gains, but with an overall lighter weight than needed for bilateral movements helping to lessen the load on the spine even more so. I agree with you about not liking to sit down for leg work, and would think that, depending on the problem, machines may be worse for the problem by taking away the strength and stability needed throughout the trunk while performing the exercise. That may leave the trunk weaker and more vulnerable when doing other things.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response. All good suggestions. I discovered during a phyiscal that I have a bone spur on my lumbar spine. My doctor said anything that loads the spine like barbell squats, standing overhead presses are out. Still a little shocked.
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Answered by Shawn Fears 695 days ago
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Is the bone spur affecting you?

I have a bone spur, herniated a disk, had 3 epidurals, couldn't walk for 6 months, and went on to squat 425 and deadlift 280 just last week for 34 reps. My back is now stronger than ever. I am not recommending that you do what I did, I am just trying to understand why a bone spure would prevent you from loading the spine.
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I'm aware of what the can do, I was asking what his situation is.
Comment by Shawn Fears 695 days ago
Sciatica pain form my low back down through my outer hips. Had constant low level pAIN FOR A FEW MONTHS. During the physical doctor told me no squats, etc that load my spine. Docs order. I know nothing of bone spurs so i' am following his advice.
Comment by Shane Mclean 695 days ago
Bone spur is at the top of the disk. Already no space between disks.
Comment by Shane Mclean 695 days ago
ohhh, that doesn't sound like any fun at all. lunging varieties sound like your best options. you can figure out a way to wear a low weight belt with weight on it to continue to squat.
Comment by Shawn Fears 693 days ago
Thanks Shawn, Weight belt sounds like a good idea. What about a weight vest?
Comment by Shane Mclean 693 days ago
I would be cautious of loading high on the spine it would be similar to loading with a bar as far as the lumbar goes. What you might try is a tolerable vest load (to keep spinal erectors maintenanced) and a belt load. Or any single leg variation of the step up/lunge/squat which might not require load or load with a light vest. I would only do what does NOT cause ANY pain though. You are going to have to experiment a little so go slow.
Comment by Shawn Fears 687 days ago
Thanks again Shawn for your thoughtful answers.
Comment by Shane Mclean 687 days ago
 
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Answered by LaRue Cook 698 days ago
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Exercises such as leg press, leg curls, leg extensions and even dumbbell squats and lunges will help in this regard.

LaRue, CSCS
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I have been told that dumbbell squats and lunges still put a load on the spine. So i will use lighter weight when i do these. Thanks for your feedback.
Comment by Shane Mclean 697 days ago
Hi Shane. Thanks for your comment. I tried to answer your question as it was posed "little or no load on the spine." In my opinion, relative to regular squats with a barbell resting on your traps, dumbbell squats do put little load on the spine. The key is RELATIVE to regular squats with a barbell, dumbbell squats put little load on the spine. If you or any client has spinal issues that preclude the use of ANY stress/load on the spine, my answer would definitely be different. For example, I would first REQUIRE that you have a consultation and release from a physician, along with the physician's restrictions on exercise in writing.

Anyway, I think you get what I'm saying here. And again, thanks for your comment.

LaRue, CSCS
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Comment by LaRue Cook 697 days ago
I should also further clarify that the type of dumbbell squat that I'm referring to is where you are holding the dumbbells at your sides NOT on or over your shoulders. Thanks.

LaRue, CSCS
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Comment by LaRue Cook 697 days ago
Thanks LaRue. You make a great point. The idea of siiting down for leg work just hurts me.
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Answered by Harris Sophocleous 154 days ago
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Leg presses, leg curls, leg extensions, step-ups on a box or a bench, climbing stairs or steep hills, lunges (all variations), jump squats (if jumping is not an issue for you), biking (in the gym or outdoors). For the leg exercises you can also hold either some dumbbells, kettlebells, weighted bars or plates, sandbags or water jags for extra resistance.

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Harris
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Answered by Ron Crum 347 days ago
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Shane, check this out. It is a hip belt for squats. It takes the load off your back but still allows you to train heavy. http://ironmind-store.com/SUPER-SQUATS174-Hip-Belt/productinfo/1220/
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