Question asked by Andrew Brasem 326 days ago
Commission or rent?
Which system works better for club/studio owners and also is going to be favourable for Personal Trainers - a monthly rental system or working on a commission structure? Also what are reasonable rental amounts and what commission structures would be recommended?
Answers (8)
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The answer is both. From a personal trainer point of view it is good to work on commissions to start with then once the clientel list grows its time to move to a monthly fee. If a trainer only has one or two clients it doesn't make any sense to pay a monthly fee and if a trainer is booked solid then it makes more sense to pay the monthly fee if it is lower than the commission would be for all the clients.
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Hi Andrew. Really good questions! In my opinion, the answer to the commission versus rent question depends on a couple of factors. If I'm looking at it from the studio owner's perspective, by charging a monthly rent you will have a known monthly rental income that you can budget from and make projections on. If you're the trainer, unless you have a client following that can not only satisfy and justify paying the monthly rental, but also leave you with net income in your pocket, a monthly rental makes little sense.
As for commissions, from the studio owner's perspective, this system would allow you to attract newer trainers with little following, and allows you and your rental revenue stream to grow along with their business. If attracting trainers to your studio is of little concern, then commission may not be so advantageous. However, with a commission-based system, it is fairer to all concerned since the trainers using the facility more are paying more (similar to the whole rental-space concept of if you were renting studio space, you would expect to pay more rent if you had a larger rental space than other tenants). As a trainer, I would like the commission system because, as I said, it would encourage a newer trainer with a smaller following to sign-on with your studio. One caveat: as the studio owner, the commission system is going to be a lot more difficult to administer since it's going to require a lot more record-keeping.
I hope this helps.
LaRue, MHA, JD, CSCS
www.lecfitness.com
lecfitness@aol.com
As for commissions, from the studio owner's perspective, this system would allow you to attract newer trainers with little following, and allows you and your rental revenue stream to grow along with their business. If attracting trainers to your studio is of little concern, then commission may not be so advantageous. However, with a commission-based system, it is fairer to all concerned since the trainers using the facility more are paying more (similar to the whole rental-space concept of if you were renting studio space, you would expect to pay more rent if you had a larger rental space than other tenants). As a trainer, I would like the commission system because, as I said, it would encourage a newer trainer with a smaller following to sign-on with your studio. One caveat: as the studio owner, the commission system is going to be a lot more difficult to administer since it's going to require a lot more record-keeping.
I hope this helps.
LaRue, MHA, JD, CSCS
www.lecfitness.com
lecfitness@aol.com

Thanks to everyone for your input! Just one other issue I still face and that is do the clients pay direct to the studio or to the Personal Trainer. If it is to the Trainer that's good for him, but there remains no security for the client or studio if he doesn't deliver or leaves. If it goes straight to the studio, then at least the funds will be in the company account if another trainer is required to step in etc. any of your experience or opinions would be most appreciated! Thanks!
Comment by Andrew Brasem 321 days ago
Hi Andrew. I am in no position to give you legal advice here (I know that you're not asking for it, but I have to make that clear in my answer :-) but there are a couple of things you need to consider (and probably discuss with your attorney/business adviser) about your question here. I'm assuming that in your follow-up question you're talking about clients paying the fee for their training directly to the trainer under the scenario where each trainer is paying "commission," not rent. Requiring the clients to make payment to the studio COULD raise issues over whether the trainers are employees or not because then you (not the clients) will be paying the trainers - you definitely want to discuss that possibility with your attorney!
If you're truly concerned that the trainers you have using your studio can't be trusted to deliver the services or may leave without performing the training the client has paid for, you may want to institute a policy of having the trainers pay a certain amount "up front" (a "deposit" if you will) when they join your studio, and you hold that amount against any future such problems. Then, the trainers pay you as they go (train). If for some reason you run into a problem, at least you have some funds on hand to draw from to deal with an issue with that particular trainer. Of course ALL of this would need to be spelled-out before the trainer starts and you should have your attorney make all of this clearly a part of your written agreement with each trainer.
LaRue
www.lecfitness.com
lecfitness@yahoo.com
If you're truly concerned that the trainers you have using your studio can't be trusted to deliver the services or may leave without performing the training the client has paid for, you may want to institute a policy of having the trainers pay a certain amount "up front" (a "deposit" if you will) when they join your studio, and you hold that amount against any future such problems. Then, the trainers pay you as they go (train). If for some reason you run into a problem, at least you have some funds on hand to draw from to deal with an issue with that particular trainer. Of course ALL of this would need to be spelled-out before the trainer starts and you should have your attorney make all of this clearly a part of your written agreement with each trainer.
LaRue
www.lecfitness.com
lecfitness@yahoo.com
Comment by LaRue Cook 321 days ago
Thank you LaRue, you have given some great advice and left me with a couple of things to think over. I think the deposit concept will be a definite addition to my contracts from now on!
Comment by Andrew Brasem 321 days ago
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Well you could do a flat fee up to x amount of trainings. Then anything above that is an additional fee/ % of ticket sold. This would help you budget better.
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I pay rent plus a small commission for each person. It works for me, see how it works for you.
David
David
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If this is a full time gig then paying rent is usually the most beneficial; if just meeting with a client or two a few times a month then a commission will probably work best.
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Hello Andrew, I like rent..I can budget my expenses. I find that if I have a finacial commitment every month, that makes me work harder. If you are approaching this as full time, treat it as a business and a small business loan might be a choice to make to get started and talk with your tax advisor with benifits to this approach.
If I was a club owner, I would have a rental fee as well and all trainers would be treated as independent contractors.
If I was a club owner, I would have a rental fee as well and all trainers would be treated as independent contractors.
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I agree with Shawn & Stephen - if a trainer has built up the clientele, than it may be more worthwhile to pay a flat monthly rental fee. If they only have a few clients or is a part-time trainer, a commission may make more sense.
The last time IDEA did their compensation survey, the found the commission to be a split between 50/50 or 60/40 with 50-60% for the trainer, 40-50% for the studio.
As for a rental fee, I'm not sure if there is an industry standard for this. You may be able to estimate a figure based on the number of clients full-time trainers see per month, the price they charge, and base the rental fee on the commission split you would get from these total sessions.
Good luck!
The last time IDEA did their compensation survey, the found the commission to be a split between 50/50 or 60/40 with 50-60% for the trainer, 40-50% for the studio.
As for a rental fee, I'm not sure if there is an industry standard for this. You may be able to estimate a figure based on the number of clients full-time trainers see per month, the price they charge, and base the rental fee on the commission split you would get from these total sessions.
Good luck!
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Hi Andrew,
I agree with LaRue, Stephen and Shawn. Good luck!
I agree with LaRue, Stephen and Shawn. Good luck!













